“You’ll Probably Never Be Normal”: Succession stars Sarah Snook and Matthew Macfadyen on episode five

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An all Follow Season, there has been an episode in which all the meme-capable expressions and salty looks begin to coalesce into something bigger than the sum of its delicious parts. That could very well be this week’s episode, “Retired Janitors of Idaho.” Shiv (Sarah Snow), Tom (Matthew Macfadyen), and the rest of the Roy Entourage gather around Logan (Brian Cox) for Waystar Royco’s shareholders’ meeting day. Without a deal in hand with Sandy and Stewy (Larry Pine in the Arian Moayed), the family could lose control of their company. Logan’s increasingly aggravating behavior, speeding up visits to the bathroom (accompanied by potty partner Tom), and refusal to compromise, paralyzes his underlings, who hesitate against the “demented piss-crazy king of England” as a novel (Kieran Culkin) dubs him.

Kendall (Jeremy Strong) chats about being a change agent. “You should save that Vanity Fair, Brother, “Stewy said.” Meanwhile, Shiv is taking over. But in addition to trying to save the company, she is also dealing with marital problems. Tom is admitted to pursuing her fertility, hoping to impregnate her before he and the prison goes. “I do not want to be your fucking incubator for when you are in prison to do chin-ups and read Knausgaard,“Shiv complains, properly laying the perfect ground for a Tom Wambsgans prison spin-off. (” You make it sound awful and … it should be beautiful, “Tom wins.)

Sitting in a New York hotel room overlooking the Hudson River, Snook and Macfadyen talked VF. ass Still watching about Shiv’s ambitions, Tom’s self-sacrifice, and the lines they lost. Listen to the episode above, and find a partial transcript of the interview below.

Vanity Fair: Shiv and Tom’s relationship seems to be on fast sand this season.

Matthew Macfadyen: We picked up right after the scene on the beach in Croatia. And then we go into panic mode, right? I mean, it’s seamless, it’s just going on. So we still do not really have time to digest it or deal with it. I’m still from the open marriage thing.

Sarah Snook: Yes, it is not good at this point. But I think fast sand is definitely a good description. It feels that way in many ways. I recently noticed that she previously had a long-term strategy for what her relationship will be like and what her career and life will look like – she will get married, and Tom will be at ATN and he will rise up somehow, and she will be in politics. But then at the start of the second season, when she was offered the CEO, it all blew up.

Macfadyen: Again, this horrible threat of possible jail time hangs over Tom and everything that comes with it. And they talked about a baby maybe …

Snook: All those normal things that weddings have to take care of – jail time and babies.

I like the detail that Tom started following Shiv’s periods to see when she was fertile.

Macfadyen: It’s not scary!

Snook: Et ass gruesome though. Et ass.

How can you not laugh when you do such a scene?

Snook: It was hard! There were many times when we could not get through it. They did not use them though [there were] as many, “fuck you” moments as she leaves.

Macfadyen: “I was at your sexy window”, I tell you at one point.

Snook: I like, “What are you trying to do, take my basal temperature with your dick?”

Does Shiv have a sense of what she wants, other than Logan’s hearts connected?

Snook: I think she wants success and stability and she wants won– as far as the company is concerned, but also as far as competition in the family is concerned in order to appear most normal and stable. I think part of that was getting married in the first place. And I think the realization is that you’re always a Roy and you’ll probably never be normal and stable [giggles]. You’ll never win at that. So maybe that’s what this season is for her too.